Joaquin Flores
Macedonia under attack by NATO

Interviewer:

I'll throw at you what I think - what I'm reading as - the number one conspiracy theory about Macedonia ...

Joaquin Flores:

OK ...

Interviewer:

... and that is the Russian export in the South Stream ... I don't know if it's gas or oil ...

Joaquin Flores:

Yes, it's gas ...

Interviewer:

... so, it's gonna go through Turkey, go through Greece, then if they want it to go Europe, it's gotta go through Macedonia. So they wanna destabilize Macedonia to make that impossible ...

Joaquin Flores:

Right ...

Interviewer:

... so is that a credible conspiracy?

Joaquin Flores:

Well, it's not really a conspiracy theory, it is the only rational deduction that one would make about what has happened? I will send you a link [1] - perhaps your readers are interested - a number of months ago I actually wrote about the subject of the Turkish Stream, and I accurately forecast the route that it would take.

I wrote this article when Gazprom and Putin announced that they were cancelling the South Stream project, and going to send it to Turkey instead?

And I came out and actually showed the route that it would take, and that it was sort of misleading to say that they had canceled the project, really what they did was they changed the name of it, involved Turkey, and reorganized the investors.

Now ... what they are trying to do to destabilize Macedonia is either to remove the government - which is in favor of the project in Macedonia - or to make things so bad that the different investment consortiums involved don't see it as viable, and it raises the cost of doing business, and the risks associated with it : so that they pull out. So that they can line up the investors to pull out of the project.

[01:50]

But, you know, it's quite clear that this is the tactic, because the US has already come out very clearly and said that they opposed the Turkish Stream project, and that they are trying to somehow offer ... that they can extract shale, and do something with that ... but the cost-structure of that doesn't pan out ... also the potential volume of shale doesn't exist to meet the need ... the cost of building the infrastructure to transport it ... it economically doesn't make sense, so it's one of these false alternatives that the US tends to prop up.

And so if one follows the route of the Turkish-Russian Stream, it enters Turkey - but not on the Anatolian side that people tend to visualize, but on the European side. That's right next to Bulgaria, and right next to Greece.

So then it will go, basically, down through the Black Sea and then connect on the European side, and then it goes straight over from the European side of Turkey - from the region that Istanbul/Constntinople is in - and then it goes through Greece and Macedonia, and then it goes north, through Serbia. Now once there it can branch off and cross directly across the trans-Adriatic route that was originally planned as well by the Shaw Denasu consortium to bring the Azeri gas pipeline. It also, of course, involves the possibility of either including or sidelining Israel with the Southern Corridor pipeline that can also connect through Turkey.

[03:25]

So, this envolves a number of regional and international players. So, it's quite clear that the US wants to hit this. And they've been building up their assets for a long time. In fact - now that we have corpses of these terrorists, some might call them freedom-fighters - we have found that a number of them have German passports. So that they are Albanians who are Turkish-nationals trained by the intelligence organizations, armed and equipped by the West: NATO. And then told to go on and do this.

The attack happened on Mayday - excuse me on Victory day - May 9th, which was, of course, a big holiday celebrating the victory over fascism in World War II and everyone knows that this big thing happened in Moscow and world leaders attened including the Macedonians, the Serbs, the Chinese, the Indians, the Egyptians ... It was a very big event. Massive. The biggest military parade in Russian history since soviet times.

[04:37]

So what happened also in the weeks leading up to the victory day celebration was that the Novorossyan military-intelligence and Russian military-intelligence both accurately forecast that the United States would try to make an attack on May 9th to disrupt the event, to register its displeasure with its ongoing. Furthermore, the various European bureaucrats had issued warnings to Serbia and Macedonia not to attend and not to participate in the Victory Day celebration and they were very, very stern with these warnings and they were also ominous and vague about what would happen if they did go. Well the Macedonians and the Serbs did go, the Serbs in fact marched in the parade ... so now we're looking at the attacks that happened in Macedonia. Right.

[05:31]

This is in the north of Macedonia, about seven miles from the border of Serbia? Where you have the ethnic, the demographic breakdown as majority Macedonian - and of course you have a question-mark about what a Macedonian is or isn't - and then there are Albanians who are a clear identity, and they are the largest minority in the region of Macedonia where this happened, in the territory of Kumanovo and the city of Kumanovo - but the third largest minority are the Serbs, and they make up 7 to 10%. the Albanians make up about 30%, and the other 60% Macedonians. Whom ethnologists say are basically a mix of Greeks and Serbs.

[06:21]

The language of Macedonia is probably 80-90% interintelligible with variations of the Serbo-Croatian language, or Serbian, which linguists call Shtokavian [2]. So it's ... distinct in terms of what's going on with the people, in the last twenty years there's been a strong push by the West and by the Macedonian government to instill this idea of a distinct Macedonian identity.

Macedonia was part of Yugoslavia. So it was torn apart from Yugoslavia in the same way that other countries like Slovenia which seceded peacefully and without incident did. They didn't have the same issues with, say, Serbia-Bosnia-Croatia during that war in the '90s? The Yugoslavs agreed peacefully, and had an amicable parting of ways - like with Slovenia in the north, who left Yugoslavia without incident, back in - I think - '91.

[07:20]

What happened is that the German- and NATO-intelligence, with the US of course, built up the Albanian nationalist militias - the NLA and the KLA - and in 2001 they launched a massive attack in Macedonia and attempted to overthrow the government. This failed. The Macedonians were able to put down this Albanian insurrection.

Basically, what happened going back to World War II, was that the NAZIs built up the concept of a greater Albania which includes all of southern Serbia, parts of or most of Montenegro, and parts of - or half - or most of Macedonia.

Then there is a sort of neo-Ottoman version of this, which wants to connect Muslim populations in the south of Bulgaria with a clear line that goes from Turkey all the way to the Adriatic. To extend Turkey along the southern Balkans all the way to the Adriatic. That's the least-viable project.

[08:39]

But with the US is clearly - and all the documentation is there, it's not a secret - that they're supporting this concept of a greater Albania. When you go to pro-Albanian government rallies you always see them waving American flags. Albania has, like, statues of Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton and stuff like that - they venerate the American leaders from the 90s. And they love the neo-cons in Albania as well.

So they're kind of like the biggest - Albania could best be described as the Israel of the Balkans (?) I think that - I don't want to say that in a sense because Israel has a lot of people who are not native to the area - the Albanians are the legitimate inhabitants of Albania, they've been there for well over a millennium-and-a-half, they are related to the native Illyrians, some of them are related to the native Calabrians from the south of Italy ... in the 12th Century, when the pope approved the Norman invasion of England, he also approved the Tancred brothers [3] who led the Norman invasion to remove the Saracens from the south of Italy, and so those Italians in the South of Italy who didn't want to convert to Catholicism from Islam - they moved them across the Adriatic to Albania ... so they have Illyrian, Roman blood. There is Slavic blood in the Albanians as well - as much as they not like to think so.

[10:10]

They believe that they are the native inheritors of the Byzantine traditon who adopted Islam, later on, under the Ottomans. And they think that the Serbs, who also claim the Byzantine traditon, are northern, Carpathian usurpers who are posing as Byzantines but are really northern barbarians, like pseudo-Russians, who invaded.

So there's a lot of stuff going back to 19th Century romantic nationalism that has been built up over the years. The Ottomans and the British empires both played this game on these people. A lot of the divide-and-conquer stuff that we all know about.

[10:50]

So, getting back to what happened on May 9th with that background is that you have this region that is very close to Serbia, it's the geostrategic hub ... the Chinese also plan to have a railline that goes all the way from the East, in Korea, that actually goes through the Balkans and follows the same path as the gas pipeline.

Normally we see that resources like this are doubled-up like this because then you can use the same military assets to defend the same strategic positions. So there's gonna be the railline follows very closely the gas pipeline.

[11:28]

The US does not want this Korea to Europe railline that the Chinese are largely behind - building, cooperating with the Russian, and the Turks, and the countries in the Balkans. So it can be quite touchy.

So, I guess - long-story-short - there is really no debate that the US is behind staging these attacks. And it is meant ... there is also a parallel movement in Macedonia. Which is ostensibly against government corruption - which of course esists because all government are corrupt to a certain extent, because we're human beings, and just as all companies and businesses are corrupt to a certain extent .. that's just how the world works, let's not be foolish, it's not an issue of government or business. It's a false paradigm. It's people.

And what's happening in Macedonia is the fact that people-are-people is being used by some people against other people. To destabilize the country. So this anti-corruption movement has all the tell-tale signs of color-revolution. You have all the George Soros/NGOs organizing ... in Macedonia. Staging a mass movement against corruption.

They're mad at the government for not hurrying up integration into the EU in a more robust way. Macedonia is a very, very poor country. I mean it has some natural resources, but it's mostly pastoral. I mean you can get some great meats, poultry, eggs, mik, cheese ... but, you know, they're not an industrial powerhouse. They really have nothing to contribute to the EU.

[13:00]

They're a great part of a regional power. If there were to be a new Balkans alliance, or some sort of Balkans union, they'd be a great piece of that. But it's in a way similar to Ukraine - or rather to the west of Ukraine - there really isn't a whole lot that Macedonia has to offer. But they're manipulating the people into blaming the government for not hurrying up and getting into the EU ... really the EU doesn't want them.

[13:35]

And so, they're like ... you know the Macedonians have really struggled for a long time now. Since 2001 there was this KLA or NLA uprising, probably involved a foreign invasion also, from Albania. They were able to put it down. But the EU came in and forced the Macedonian government to negotiate the ceasefire ... so to speak, I mean it's a peace ... on terms favorable to Albanians. Now they only make up a third of the population, but they were given rights within the Macedonian constitution far above an beyond what their numbers or power would otherwise demand or command. That was called the Ohrid agreement. And coming out of the Ohrid Agreement [4] basically allows them to have full autonomy in all these regions of Macedonia ... they control the border between Albanian and Macedonia, it's not regulated by any external entity. So we really dont know who in Macedonia is an Albanian born in Macedonia or who is an Albanian from Albania.

They've also got a leaky passage with the Serbian province of Kosovo which is in dispute, because Albania claims that Kosovo is part of Albania and Serbia claims that Kosovo is part of Serbia. That is unresolved. Countries in Europe don't recognize Kosovo yet, some of them at least, we know Spain doesn't recognize Kosovo and a number of other countries don't recognize Kosovo, but the United States recognizes Kosovo as an independent country, but this is well-documented to be part of this plan for a greater Albania. So really the focus in this is the plan for a greater Albania. And this attack on May 9th is connected to that.

[15:00]

Interviewer:

It's very good, and informative to know all this history and intellectualization, but to people on the ground the Albanians are often known as common crooks and criminals and often violent ... I'm sorry, that's just the reality. And there's a NATO base that's know for drug trafficing in Albania ... so I think that's more realistic to see it in that light. I mean I don't know who these people were ... but I doubt that they were motivated by a fervor to see a greater Albania, more likely a few bucks in the pocket.

Joaquin Flores:

The vast majority of Albanians are decent human beings who just want to work honest and to live in a stable country, and because - you know - the average IQ in the world is 95 or 105 or whatever. They are just people who are influenced by the media. We should have great compassion for all people. There is nothing inherent in Macedonians, in Albanians that makes them criminal, but yeah ... the mafia are also connected to the Calabrian mafia in Italy ... are deeply involved in organ trafficing, heroin trade, white slavery, prostitution, human trafficing, the whole nine-yards, they are in a firm-firm alliance with NATO, a firm-firm alliance with the United States ... you know that's criminal. But this leadership of the Albanians.

Albania is a country, has a proud hisotory, has a majority of them who are good people, they have a right to live in Albania as Albanians and to determine their own future course.

If it wasn't for NATO, if it wasn't for the US they'd be able to resolve [] in anormal way, with Macedonia, with Greece, with Serbia, you know, what are the natural boundaries, and they would come to some agreement. And that would be done. The problem is this Western influence, and this criminal enterprise that they use to create instability in the region ...

[17:00]

... I'm sorry to interrupt, but I had to include that, in defense of Albanians.

Interviewer:

No, I'm very glad you did. The only other point I'd like to mention is ... There was a lot of controversy and resistance in Macedonia using the name Macedonia by Greece, which unfortunately to an outsider seems slightly comical, but the Greeks took it very seriously. Could you explain briefly what that was about ?

Joaquin Flores:

Yeah ... of course officially in the UN its called the Former Yuigoslavian Repubic Of Macedonia (FYROM). It's all about the history, the traditon, because the Greeks claim that Alexander the Great was primarily Greek and they consider Macedonia to be a region of Greece. Where Macedonia (FYROM) is situated today is probably, objectively speaking, not where the Macedonia of antiquity was. The Macedonia of antiquity is a little bit more over in the area where Bulgaria are both at. Where Macedonia is today is a little bit too far west and too far north to be the 'real' Macedonia, and there are parts of Greece today that are referred to as Macedonia as well.

Also ethnically it's a big problem - in my view because of 19th Century micro-nationalism, petty-nationalism - and it basically trades its view that a Greek and a Slav are mutually exclusive concepts. That one cannot be a Greek and a Slav at the same time. The consensus view is that Macedoniains are Slavic people, you know their language is a Slavic language, it's a variation of Shtokavian as we said, high measure of intelligability with these Serbian languages and its quite different from Greek. Serbs and Greeks do not communicate in a similar tongue at all. (FYROM) Macedonians don't speak Greek ... it's not the same language, rather, one can learn Greek. In the border regions between Macedonia and Greece they do speak a pidgin - a local dialect which involves a lot of loan words - but its really not the same thing. And the Greeks are adament that the legacy of, the concept of Macedonia and Alexander the Great is firmly Greek. And Greece does connect Turkey, that little region, the very far northeast of Greece - the area right before it becomes Thrace, or Dacia, is what the Greeks would say is Macedonia. The Greeks really claim Alexander the Great as theirs ... I know it sounds kind of weird - of that was in 340 BC or whatever - but it matters to them. And also it's not just the past ... in World War I there was fighting around it, and there was a movement in Macedonia to rejoin with Greece and the way that events over a century were resolved it did not end up that way. Instead it became a part of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia - parts of it - and then after World War II when the communist Yugoslavia was built it included all of what is today the FYROM.

Interviewer:

Well, that's a good crash-course on Macedonia and the Balkans.

Joaquin Flores:

Well, I'm in the region and I've had to absorb this as fast as possible ...

Interviewer:

Well, you've done very well at that.

notes

[1]http://syncreticstudies.com/2014/12/11/russia-and-turkeys-gas-deal-can-save-europe-and-the-world/
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shtokavian_dialect
[3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_southern_Italy#Mercenary_service.2C_1022.E2.80.931046
[4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrid_Agreement